Episode Transcript

Trevor: Kirk, we're back. 

Kirk: Hey, How's it going? 

Trevor: I am doing really well. We have yet another cannabis store that has opened in Dauphin. 

Kirk: Yes, that makes three now. 

Trevor: Yeah. So I'm excited. You're excited? This is. What are we going to call it? A more indie store? 

Kirk: Yeah. Yeah. We first met Spencer Payson in Episode 75, and one of my road stories you may remember his story was in Flin Flon, when Michelle and I were traveling across the Northern Highway through Saskatchewan. So he has since opened up a store in Dauphin. So this makes his second. And it's been a few months, and I figured I'd go say hello to him and asked if we could get a little bigger, longer interview than we did the first time, because I was I wanted to get I wanted to get some insights on what's it like to own a Rec. Store. Right. We've talked to scientists. We've talked to academics. We've talked to PhD, doctors, nurses and we've talked to budtenders. And most owners or I shouldn't say that, most managers of big stores like Tweeds and they're not prepared to talk to me. And I haven't met a lot of owners. This summer, I have. And I'll get to it after the end of this interview. But this was a summer of me meeting owners of small stores. And this is an interview I had with Spencer Payson. So. Yeah. 

Trevor: Yeah. No, he's a fascinating guy. I well, we'll talk more more later, but I'm just going to listen for his "I'm the Costco of cannabis," you know, obviously he can't use that... but you know that's that's a really nice tagline or elevator pitch. Why should I come to your store? Well, I'm the Costco of cannabis if that doesn't sort of reel you and I don't know what will. 

Kirk: Well he well, yeah but he's also a vape store. He is a lot of things but he's an independent and we had, I thought a very frank discussion. The conversation kind of goes into some interesting rabbit holes but at the end, we'll sum up at the end. I mean it starts with him talking about his SKUs and it's almost like we're doing an advertising of Spencer's stores, which I guess in a sense we are,. 

Trevor: Sure.

Kirk: But we're also but we're also getting down into the nuances of a little bit about the cannabis industry. And I like his, his view of it. All right. So you want to just get right into it. 

Trevor: Yeah. Let's listen to Spencer. 

Spencer Payson: My name is Spencer Payson, the CEO of Payson’s Joint. 

Kirk: And what is Payson’s Joint? 

Spencer Payson: Payson's Joint is a, I like to describe us as the Costco of cannabis. We have e-cigarettes, all the accessories for consumption of cannabis, whether it's pipes, glass pipes, wood pipes, stone pipes, bubblers. We got a wide selection of dry herb vaporizers, concentrated vaporizers, tabletop vaporizers both for dry herb and or concentrates. We have a wide selection of 510 batteries for our cannabis cartridges. Currently we have about 580 SKUs, cannabis SKUs in stock,  

Kirk: 580 SKUs. Wow. 

Spencer Payson: That's not including what's in the vault, ready to come out on the floor. 

Kirk: So what does that represent? How many LPs is that represent. 

Spencer Payson: The top of my head? There's probably over 40. 

Kirk: 40 and they're there across Canada. 

Spencer Payson: Yeah. 

Kirk: Okay. Just off the top of my head. What's what is the best selling LP in your stores. Without promoting an LP or maybe. 

Spencer Payson: Aphria has the widest offering. 

Kirk: Say that again. Sorry. 

Spencer Payson: Aphria. 

Kirk: Aphria.

Spencer Payson: Yeah. So they have good supply. Cannika. They're good supply brand in Flin Flon. Their Jean Guy is our highest selling ounce and it's not the cheapest, but it is the highest selling ounce. 

Kirk: Okay. 

Spencer Payson: Consistently comes in at a good THC level. The price range is about $105 an ounce. 

Kirk: Interesting. It was the Jean Guy that when I interviewed the budtender at Garden Variety, he recommended the Jean Guy. So Jean Guy a very popular varietal. 

Spencer Payson: Well, yeah it's it's I'd say it's the highest selling sativa strain in our, in in my stores. 

Kirk: Okay. Okay. And why do you what do you think that it is. 

Spencer Payson: A THC level like Sativa it's harder to find a higher THC level. So we're looking at between 20, 25% usually. Sometimes it comes in at around that 25% mark, you know, it's relatively reasonably priced. 

Kirk: So do you think people are buying their cannabis, are they measuring the variety or the value of the cannabis by the THC level? 

Spencer Payson: I'd say so. Try to educate customers about like the Terpenes. Of the strains that way you know, some people may find they don't like certain strains. It makes them feel anxious or people are apprehensive because they tried cannabis once. And it gave them an anxiety attack. You can just smoke a different strain and immediately change the type of experience you're having, right. So finding stuff that works good. 

Kirk: So how do you help a client do that? You're so restricted. Budtenders are restricted in what they can say. So how do you educate your staff to educate their clients? 

Spencer Payson: I find certain types of Terpenes are going to give you certain types of symptoms.  

Kirk: Symptoms? Okay. 

Spencer Payson: So, like, you know, and just describing those type of, like effects. Like, you know, do you like something that's kind of like a harsher throat hit to it. No. Okay. Like something more smooth. I can eliminate a whole bunch of products from, like, you know, to refer, referred to, you know. And then from there, you know, are you looking to have something that's, like, functional or, you know, more sedative? And then from there, I can narrow down which strains will work best for you. 

Kirk: Okay. So, so someone coming so you ask them questions, so they would ask me a series of questions and to, to find out what type of flower I'd be interested in. 

Spencer Payson: So, like, do you like a harsh throat hit? 

Kirk: No, No. Who does? 

Spencer Payson: You would be surprised. 

Kirk: Really okay. All right. No. 

Spencer Payson: Okay. So you like more smoother strains? 

Kirk: Yeah. I don't. I don't want. I don't want to be coughing when I inhale. 

Spencer Payson: Do you like aroma wise? Do you like something that's more like fruity or citrusy?  

Kirk: Ya you know, that's interesting. You're talking about the smell of the bud right? 

Spencer Payson: Yeah. 

Kirk: I like a real pine forestry smell. 

Spencer Payson: Okay. And that's where the Jean Guy comes in. 

Kirk: So I just slipped into the Jean Guy didn't I. Isn't that interesting? I am consistent. Is that because of the pinene. 

Spencer Payson: So, like it and the type of effects it's going to produce, right, is going to be something that's focused. Okay. So again, by asking people like, what are you wanting to do? Or are you just going to sit down and watch a movie?  You know, I can make recommendations like, are you just trying to go to sleep? Okay, well, you should try these ones. 

Kirk: Yeah, I think when I talked to one and I know his name will come to me at the end of the interview, the fellow that at the Garden Variety is that I was cutting my grass. Like I spent a lot of time in my yard in the summertime. So I guess Jean Guy is a sativa, so apparently it's more of a stimulant as opposed to in the couch. 

Spencer Payson: Yeah 

Kirk: Do you follow that trend that indica and sativa have different effects. Do you guys, is it part of your training?

Spencer Payson: I do, like a lot of the staff follow that I don't necessarily believe that to be 100% true. But the terpenes that are primarily in indica are more sedative whereas the ones in sativa are more energetic, uplifting. 

Kirk: Okay. Because there there's some that say that calling cannabis, categorizing cannabis by being sativa or indica is so passed now because everything has been so blended.  That it's hard to have a true land race. 

Spencer Payson: Well I find like a lot of strains now like especially like indica ones, they're not as sedative anymore, although I have found like a few, like Highland Grow White Lightning or Cherry Burst. Like if you don't want to have a thought going through your head for the next 3 hours, I would recommend one of those two strains. 

Kirk: I love the way you describe that "No thinking." 

Spencer Payson: Well, the first time I tried White Lightning, I was texting my then girlfriend and she had just sent me a reply as I finished packing my bowl and my bong and I'm like, okay, I'm going to respond to that after I take this rip. I took the rip, I picked up the phone and I had Netflix on and I'm looking at the phone to start typing. And then my attention just goes right to the TV and I stop and then like five, 10 minutes goes by like, okay, I texting and then I start like typing. And it took me 45 minutes to send a text. Hey, I just started getting mad at me because it was taking too long. 

Kirk: She's seeing the bubbles, right? There's nothing worse than doing that. When you're anticipating somebody send you something. So you okay, So you are an owner of two stores now? 

Spencer Payson: Yeah. 

Kirk: This is your second store. Um, as an your private business. So how many staff do you have working for you? 

Spencer Payson: Um, there and here I say about 20 staff. 

Kirk: So you employ 20 people. So that's a pretty big payroll. You and your store hours are.

Spencer Payson: 9 a.m. until 10 p.m. Monday through Saturdays. 12 to 8 on Sundays. 

Kirk: Okay. Is that split into two shifts then. Yeah. So that's why you have so many staff okay. What type of training do you give your staff? 

Spencer Payson: So we have, depending on what level of you're at of employment. Anyone walking in the door starting at the lowest level. I have two manuals, but it's about like 700 pages. 

Kirk: Oh wow. 

Spencer Payson: To read over with you. One is just policies and procedures. And then we go over product training. We have a whole segment on cannabis that we go through, and then also all the accessories we carry, or at least all the categories of accessories we carry. And then after that, as you move in to higher up positions, we have other training that involves our POS. 

Kirk: POS? 

Spencer Payson: Yeah, like our point of sales. 

Kirk: Okay, now that's like, that's into the business side of things. Yeah, but the cannabis expertise. So your 700 page manual, so that is an educational, that's I guess organizational behavior education. So how much cannabis education is involved?

Spencer Payson: I would say the cannabis education is probably at least 30 pages. It go into like, you know, the differences between Indica and sativa. The type of effects there's a whole segment on terpenes and their effects. 

Kirk: Do you get into the endocannabinoid system. 

Spencer Payson: Yup. 

Kirk: And the receptors, CBD receptors. 

Spencer Payson: Yup. 

Kirk: So you teach your staff that. 

Spencer Payson: Yup. 

Kirk: The reason why I ask is because what we're finding, Trevor and I, is that in the medical side, nurses, doctors, physiotherapists, health professionals are not taught to endocannabinoid system. 

Spencer Payson: They don't really know anything. They read a lot of the research coming out. But like that I've actually had arguments with doctors. 

Kirk: Yeah, in regards to what? Tell me a story about that.

Spencer Payson: Oh, like I had a doctor talking down to me as if I was a drug addict because I smoked what was equivalent to a pencil eraser of cannabis every day. 

Kirk: A pencil eraser? So how big is pencil eraser? 

Spencer Payson: Like a one hitter. Like three one hitters worth of cannabis every day.  

Kirk: three one hitters, that's not a lot of cannabis.

Spencer Payson: Like I told her. That's not a lot. And she. 

Kirk: Well, you're talking about the top of a pencil. 

Spencer Payson: Yeah, Just the eraser off of pencil. 

Kirk: That's all you smoke? 

Spencer Payson: Yeah, that's what I smoked at that time. Okay. The doctor was talk to me like I was a drug addict. 

Kirk: Gee whiz, man, that's. That wouldn't fill a bowl. 

Spencer Payson: No. 

Kirk: Okay, so I cut you off. 

Spencer Payson: It wasn't even enough to get, like, a real high, right?  It was just enough to give you a sense of relaxation. 

Kirk: So were you using it medicinally, then, at that low dose? 

Spencer Payson: Like it was just after work? You know, I had two kids, so, like, I couldn't be stoned out of my face. So it was just like a little one hitter. Take the edge off and go and spend time with the family. Kids go to bed, have maybe one or two more. 

Kirk: I do this. I interrupt people. I apologize. Carry on. Sorry. Where were you having this discussion? In a clinic or in a. 

Spencer Payson: Yeah, it was actually at a doctor's office. 

Kirk: Okay so you are having your appointment with a doc? 

Spencer Payson: Yeah. Yeah and what was actually the cause was I had started drinking craft beers, and, like, when I was younger, I was allergic to beer. Like, I would puke. Six beers in a night and I would puke for 12 hours straight the next day. So I started drinking. I wasn't having really any ill effects, so I figured, okay. Oh, grew this allergy that I had. Right. So this went on for about a couple of months, and I started to notice that I just started to feel exhausted. Sometimes this level of exhaustion would last for like a week, and then it would stop. And just as I start feeling better about like, okay, I'll have another couple drinks over the course of the weekend, I not like, over drinking, right?  Like maybe one, two drinks a day. And by by Sunday, all of a sudden I'm just exhausted again and that, I would go to bed and wake up feeling just as exhausted as when I went to sleep. So I'll tell the doctor this, and she's like, You're depressed. I'm like, I'm not depressed. And she started arguing with me, and I started telling her that I used cannabis and she was like, oh, self medicating. And she's like, angrily typing and talking down to me. And then finally, I told her, like, Look, I own a business on Main Street. I'm I'm about, you know, my buddies have a huge multimillion dollar investment. I'm about to go and help them grow their business. Like I need to be on my A-game. I need help right now. And then at that point, she finally stopped and okay, I'll get you a blood test. And then when I when I got the blood test, everything came back fine. So I was sitting there talking to the nurse, going over my blood test. And that's when we started, like going deeper into like, what's going on in my life. And then I brought up the drinking and I used to be allergic when I was younger, and I was like, You probably still have an allergy. And like, that's the effect now that that that it is. And even today, like, if I drink too much on a weekend, like I don't really drink very often. It's been like almost a year since the last time we drank. But if I drink too much on a weekend, I'll feel the effects. The week after for quite a while, like low energy. My body actually found out the last time I went got a blood test was that if I drank, my kidneys, stopped processing a vitamin B. So anyway, it was. 

Kirk: Vitamin B is important for. 

Spencer Payson: energy. 

Kirk: Energy and everything. Yeah. Yeah. 

Spencer Payson: So that's that's, that's what it came down to. It was the alcohol affects my kidney's ability to be able to process vitamin B. 

Kirk: But I guess to get the story started because of the ignorance of the health care system, that's your experience. A physician was ignorant towards your use of cannabis. That's a concern I have too with sort of kind of segue me into asking the next sort of question, and that is how many people come into your store getting medicinal cannabis? Now I know you're a Rec store. 

Spencer Payson: Yeah. 

Kirk: And do you have a medicinal business? 

Spencer Payson: No. 

Kirk: No, because it has to be online, right? 

Spencer Payson: Yeah. 

Kirk: So. So do you have people coming in here medicinal cannabis? 

Spencer Payson: Oh ya. Like, as far as like the laws are concerned. If you have a used cannabis to treat something that a customer is coming in saying like, Hey, I'm experiencing the same thing. Well, I have used cannabis for this reason or other customers say that this helps for this. So it's how you word it that matters. If we're not making any medical claim. If we were to say like, oh yeah, this cures cancer, now we're making a medical statement, right? It's an absolute right. We just don't make an absolute statement. I train my staff to not make absolutes. 

Kirk: But as a businessman, it benefits you that they come here and buy your cannabis. So how do you think as a citizen? But do you think that's a good way the medical cannabis system should be run is that they come to a rec store for their cannabis? 

Spencer Payson: Well, I think doctors should be more educated on it. Like even prior to prohibition and I always bring this up, almost every medication we used contained cannabis to some degree. Even cough medication, like I even tell everyone, I'm like, if you ever get a cold by some edibles, eat them before you go to bed. It will suppress your cough. And then when you wake up, you'll hack up all that phlegm and then you feel fine. And you know. 

Kirk: That that's not something you can say at the counter. 

Spencer Payson: Yeah you can. 

Kirk: Oh, yeah. 

Spencer Payson: Because I personally done it. 

Kirk: Oh, I see what you are saying. 

Spencer Payson: I'm not saying that this is sold as cough medication. 

Kirk: I see what you're saying. 

Spencer Payson: I personally use it to suppress my cough because it will suppress it. And then the next day you'll as it wears off, you'll cough of all that phlegm. 

Kirk: Right, I use chicken soup and garlic. Yeah. And I actually, I actually tell my clients, my patients in the clinic, I'll say, you know, as a nurse, I'll say to them, you got to cold chicken soup and garlic. There's been research. It does work. You know. 

Spencer Payson: If I'm really feeling bad, like I can feel congestion. Sometimes I just grab garlic and honey and I just eat.

Kirk: yup yup. 

Spencer Payson: Cloves of garlic. It's going to taste horrible but you chewed up, swallow really quick. Take it down with a spoon of honey. Spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down. 

Kirk: Be careful with garlic. I mean, it tastes wonderful according to some people, I have insulted somebody there. You are an owner of two stories. You just move to Dauphin. And I guess don't give away too much of your business plan. Welcome to Dauphin. 

Spencer Payson: Thank you. 

Kirk: Why Dauphin? 

Spencer Payson: Oh, well, I lived here years ago briefly, and I really enjoyed the community. I thought it was a beautiful community. You know, the parks right down the road. So even now, prior to the store opening, when my girlfriend comes out here, we go and spend the weekends out at the park. 

Kirk: Riding Mountain. 

Spencer Payson: Yup. 

Kirk: Okay. 

So, you know, it's a lovely area. 

Kirk: Have you been to the bike trails. 

Spencer Payson: Not the bike trails, but I've been told about them and I have a bike. 

Kirk: Oh, you have mountain bike? 

Spencer Payson: Yeah. 

Kirk:  Oh, buddy. 

Spencer Payson: The one. The one over by the country fest. 

Kirk: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Get out there. 

Spencer Payson: Me and my girlfriend went to the museum out there, and we came across the trails and saw a gentleman riding his bike down. So we're asking him. You're looking at the map. 

Kirk: It's a it's an impressive. It's. It's the province's best trails. Yeah. Um, what, have you moved to town and you still live in Flin Flon? 

Spencer Payson: Yeah. No, I moved to town, so I'm here. Not permanently, but I'll be here for the next few months. When can I get the staff all trained up?  

Kirk: Okay wonderful. Well, is there any question I didn't ask you that you'd like to talk about your business. I mean, we should introduce your business, I guess. Yeah.

Spencer Payson: So Payson's Joint on 207 Main Street North in Dauphin, and we're open 9 a.m. till 10 p.m. Monday through Saturday and 12 to 8 on Sundays. Okay. And we have the widest selection of cannabis in the parkland with over, I think at the end of today will be over 600 SKUs. 

Kirk: So by when you get stuff out of that bank. 

Spencer Payson: So yeah, we have a huge selection of every category Pre-rolls infused Pre-rolls. 

Kirk: And you're also a Vape shop too. 

Spencer Payson: and we are also a vape shop. Yeah. 

Kirk: So what is your thought a? What do you think? I. 

Trevor: I really liked, you know, not surprising as a pharmacist when you guys got into the medical bit, you know, there's lots of interesting stuff in there and you know, I think it's it's perfectly reasonable when you know, someone comes in and he asks, you know, do you want a harsh throat hit, which I'm with you. Why? I don't want to cough or, you know, is this what did he say? Or do you want to smoke this and not have a thought for 2 hours? Again, that's not a sales pitch to me in particular. But you know, if that's what you're looking for, he knows he knows how to help that. So those are, you know, from a rec-point-of-view, those are very interesting. But, you know, when people, you know, because they do come in looking for sleep or looking for anti-anxiety or looking for pain and Health Canada is very specific, saying that bud tenders can't give medical advice. But and I, I am not a legal expert by any stretch and I do not think that Payson's staff is doing anything wrong, but it's interesting how they interpret how because the questions come up, how they how they handle that. 

Kirk: Yeah. Yeah, I am. This has been an interesting summer for me. This conversation happened in June. Right. And and during that time, we talked and like I said, as I said, we went into this the conversation went in some interesting places. And there was a point there where he was saying how he uses it for a cough. And I was thinking, Oh, buddy, you got to be careful. But then how he interpreted that he's done it himself. So he shares that. You'll remember you'll remember that episode 104 with Linda Balneaves, Dr. Balneaves, she went in and basically her survey taught us to more than 50% of the people who are medically authorized to use cannabis are going to Rec stores. So that really prompted me this summer. I'm going to be doing we're going to be doing another episode of Road Stories, because I've been going to rec stores and meeting bud tenders. And as I did with Spencer, I'm asking the question, are people coming here for medical cannabis? 

Trevor: Of course. Of course they are. 

Kirk: Yes. Yes, they are. And so we've so we, well of course they are. But but it's validated, you know, in a sense that we've got a university study that talks about it and I've got anecdotal study and, you know, subjectively going to talk to people about it. Now, I'll remind some of our listeners that we have a blog page. My last blog was all about rec story medicine being undocumented. And so I went out there and wanted to find out and it's happening. That's the part of this story that really bothers me is that the medical system is promoting people to get their medical cannabis from a rec store. Now, back in the day, now 40 years ago, I can remember reading charts where doctors actually documented their suggestion that someone has a bottle in the cabinet, that if you want a wee dram before bed, it would help you sleep. It was documented, it was. So therefore you as a pharmacist would know the person's using alcohol at bedtime. Right? When a doctor sends somebody to a rec store, are they documenting it? Are they documenting what the patient's using? Are they documenting how much the patient gets. Success or not success. So that when you audit their charts, you know, they're an active cannabis user? I would say, no, it's not happening. And I think no, I think that's criminal. 

Trevor: Go ahead. 

Kirk: Sorry.

Trevor: Yeah, no, I agree. And we've talked before. I'll throw in my $0.02. I don't think the bud tenders are do anything wrong. I think they're put in a difficult slash impossible situation. You know, they are legally not supposed to do any medical advice, but people are coming to them. But even worse, it like you said, it's not all doctors, not all the time. But we have heard of doctors who have specifically told patients, just go the rec store. They wouldn't tell a patient like you said. Well, you know, just go down to liquor store and buy a bottle of wine. It might help with your with your anxiety. 

Kirk: But they did at one time. 

Trevor: Yeah, I know, But but, but back to your point, A. They wouldn't do it at all now. But B if they did they would mark down on the chart like you said, you know, one ounce of x at bedtime and then at least whether it's good, bad or indifferent, we like you said, now we have an idea, you know, cannabis is not a dangerous substance, but there are a few medications that you probably shouldn't take with it. You know, cannabis is not a dangerous substance, but as we talked about a few episodes ago, there is this cannabis hyperemesis syndrome. It is very rare. And and and and but, you know,. 

Kirk: Cannabinoid.

Trevor: Cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome. But if you if you have somebody with, you know, unexplained vomiting all the time, but no one has documented that they're a regular cannabis user, it's going to be hard to make these links. So just, you know, why are we trying to have this part of the medical system and let's even go for someone's got some arthritis and, you know, this is really working. Well, that should be documented, too. You know, maybe things are going really well. So why do we why is it outside the medical system? Why can't we why can't it why can it come together? 

Kirk: Especially when we do have when we do have a medical system? And anyway, so this is you know, this is what I wanted to do with this story. Spencer, it was a good conversation, but I wanted I wanted this story in there because it validates an opinion that we're not an opinion that our understanding about how the health care system needs to recognize cannabis as medicine and maybe Rec stores should have a health professional. Maybe that's what the Health Canada should do, is that every rec store must have a health professional to discuss the medical side like they do in Colorado. Right. Go back to I can't remember what episode that was. That was way back when we were doing season three and episodes. But when I went down to Colorado and we and they had the medical side and one side and the rec side and another side, and people got their cannabis from down the street. Right. Just like, honest to God. And then doctors need to track it. 

Trevor: Yeah.

Kirk: just my $0.02. 

Trevor: And, you know. No. And, you know, because there's all sorts of interesting things that could be done. You know, maybe they just, you know, past friends of the show, maybe, you know, you go into a rec store and you use it for X, Y, Z, but you pull out SCREENPRINT and you know, you put that information in and use it on your own. But then the information goes back to your nurse practitioner. Again, just. we are in 2023. There are ways to get people in the loop. You know, maybe we have a Tela-doc talking to or tella-pharmacist or. 

Kirk: They may be the first. 

Trevor: This, this is a this is not a difficult there are many ways to fix this. 

Kirk: Well, maybe maybe the first thing we should do is all health professionals should get at least a minimum bud tender course on cannabis. 

Trevor: Or let's get simpler because we've talked about this many times. Maybe the endocannabinoid system should be in pharmacy nursing physician training. 

Kirk: Oh, no, no, no, no. 

Trevor: Just mention it. Like what one class mentioned that exists. Let's start there. 

Kirk: Do you do you think do you think the new pathophysiology programs, textbooks are coming out with the endocannabinoid system?  I should do. I'm going to do that research. I'm going to find it. The new textbooks have it. I think that's going to be my next project. All right. Anyways, I'm Kirk Nyquist I am the registered nurse. 

Trevor: I'm Trevor Shewfelt I'm the pharmacist. It's been another. Another good one. 

Kirk: We are Reefer Medness - the podcast. 

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Trevor: So we're at each about, go do some traveling through the Whiteshell. So maybe next time we can talk about rocks and lakes and trees. 

Kirk: Sure. Well, we'll do that my cannabis story. I'm going to I'm going to stop at a couple of other cannabis stores on the way down to the Whiteshell and see what other budtenders can tell us about the industry. 

Trevor: All right, Kirk, it's been another good one to see everybody later.